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Subject: "Deciding Where to Move"
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pj_chmiel
Member since Feb-23-04
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Oct-27-06, 03:51 PM (EDT) |
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"Deciding Where to Move"
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Hello all, As some of you may know I just got back from a http://www.pjchmiel.com/ramble/>10-week cross-country scooter trip. Still trying to finish up the journal and photo-uploading aspect of it, more stories and photos to follow. It went very well, lasted just over 10 weeks and put about 10,000 miles on my odometer, costing me somewhere in the neighborhood of $3,000 (if that sounds cheap, it's thanks to the kindness of all the scooterists who put me up in various places, I only paid for lodging about half of the time). I will write and relfect more about the trip once I've written the rest of the interim updates, please be patient and watch for the self-published book that I'm going to do about the trip sometime soon.I want to get out of the midwest, and the western half of the US doesn't really appeal to me at this point. I used to live in Norfolk, VA so I'm not too interested in the coastal region from about Baltimore south to Charleston either. Ideally I'm looking for: a milder winter than Chicago, cheap-ish to medium cost of living, decent vegan food options, good housing stock and interesting architecture (ie the whole downtown hasn't been razed for malls and parking lots), somewhat progressive (or at least not backwards) atmosphere, availability of organic produce and/or good health food store(s), good neighborhoods to walk and spend time in, the less interstates and strip malls the better, proximity to some good scenery, availability of cute, hip girls around my age (I'm 29), and having other scooter folks around. I realize I can't have it all, but the more of those things the better. I haven't decided where I'm moving to yet, but several places appealed to me for different reasons. I'm also interested in hearing people's opinions for "write-in" suggestions, there are certainly other places I'd consider, but the following stood out to me as making the most sense right now. There's a good chance I'll only be moving for a year or two, so this doesn't have to be a place where I "settle," just liveable and interesting enough to call home for a time. I'd like to get people's feedback on the most likely contenders at this point (in no particular order): Philadelphia, PA The biggest city that I'm seriously considering, Philadelphia has great architecture, cool neighborhoods and housing stock, fairly diverse population, a healthy local scooter scene, tasty vegan food, close proximity to NYC, Washington DC and other mid-east cities, not to mention the beautiful pine barrens of New Jersey. Downsides: the weather probably wouldn't be much of an improvement over Chicago, and people say that it's not a very "friendly" city, plus higher cost of living than most of the others on my list. Nashville or Knoxville, TN I just love the climate and scenery in this part of the country...still a little taste of winter, but mild compared to the midwest. Nashville is the biggest city in the state and has a great little scooter community (though no local scooter shop). Nashville is centrally-located and offers reasonable flight prices to other places, though it is a bit lacking in cool neighborhoods and architecture. Knoxville is smaller but has some good things going for it, especially Yee-Haw Industries, cost of living and its proximity to the mountains. Memphis has gotten too bland for me to consider moving there, and while Chattanooga has some great scooter folks and a pretty setting, it didn't make a strong impression on me as a city. So as far as TN is concerned, I would move to Knoxville if I could work with YHI, otherwise Nashville looks like my top choice. Louisville, KY Louisville has a lot of the same appeal as the TN cities, weather- and scenery-wise, and a low cost of living. Lots of great architecture and cheap housing stock, a decent amount of hip young people, and seems fairly vegan-friendly. Close to Cincinatti, which is a great scooter town and nice place to visit. The downsides are its proximity to the state of Indiana, and the fact that I'd have to drive across the length of Indiana to get back to either Chicago or my hometown in Michigan, and that's 5 or 6 hours of punishment each way in a car. It also has no real scooter scene that I could see, and like Norfolk, has a silly, syllable-swallowing local pronounciation for its name that sounds trashy and would be hard for me to go along with...not to mention all of the "hillbilly" jokes you'd get for living in Kentucky. Southern Louisiana New Orleans made quite an impression on me, I was shocked at the destruction still present in so many areas. I got a great tour from a local guy named Chris and had a great talk with him about the state of affairs there. Simply put, New Orleans needs help, badly. They've only got 1/3 of their population and a LOT of work that needs to be done. Since there are so many houses still uninhabitable the housing market is probably tough, and I'm not sure where I would fit in there job-wise...I've been wanting to do something besides graphic design full-time, so maybe I could swing a hammer or something and pick up some new skills. A move to New Orleans would be more for the charity of helping it recover in some small way, but the very hot weather, roads, crime and food would probably be tough. Moreover, it seems that they've only applied a band-aid solution to the levee problem that destroyed the city last year, and with the yearly hurricanes and the oceans rising from global warming, who's to say that the city won't be underwater again soon? It really is a magical place and it would be a shame for it not to be rebuilt, but if it is to be, there needs to be more done to protect it in this vulnerable spot. I also really loved Lafayette, LA, a small city a couple of hours to the west. Really great people and the heart of Cajun/Zydeco music; Lafayette is a cool small city in the heart of Cajun country. I'm probably not seriously considering a move to Lafayette at this point, but it was a very special place and I can't wait to visit again. Other cities I'd love to live in, but am not considering too seriously right now: Toronto, Canada and New York City Both are world-class, liberal enough, super-diverse and have so much to offer culturally, with great food and scooter scenes. On the other hand both have a cold winter and I'm not sure if I have the money and/or ambition to tackle either right now, Toronto offers the additional hurdle of being in another country so there'd be issues with having a legitimate job there. New York blows my mind every time I visit, it's just expensive and almost overwhelming. Hopefully someday. Portland, Oregon My friend Aaron Draplin is sure that I'd love Portland, I've never been there but from most everything I've heard it sounds like I probably would. A lot of the same things I loved about Minneapolis, with better weather and scenery. But after this epic journey around the east and south, I feel like my next move should be somewhere I've just been...I'm sure Portland will still be amazing in 2-3 years, maybe I'll move there then. I've been doing some reading at bestplaces.net and other similar comparative websites. Please post your comments here or e-mail me directly at pjchmiel {at] yahoo [dot} com. Thanks for any feedback you may have! |
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- RE: Deciding Where to Move,
hardboiledcat, Oct-27-06, 04:27 PM, (1)
- RE: Deciding Where to Move,
JessicaE, Oct-27-06, 05:13 PM, (3)
- RE: Deciding Where to Move,
David K, Oct-27-06, 07:03 PM, (4)
- RE: Deciding Where to Move,
32, Oct-28-06, 08:40 AM, (7)
- RE: Deciding Where to Move,
jloony, Oct-28-06, 04:09 PM, (11)
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hardboiledcat
Member since Jul-23-02
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Oct-27-06, 04:27 PM (EDT) |
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1. "RE: Deciding Where to Move"
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Atlanta is your place. Progressive city. Comparatively affordable housing. Thriving cultural scene. Largest scooter club in the Southeast. Scootlanta Beautiful women. Southern hospitality. 
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old97
Member since Jul-8-04
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Oct-27-06, 05:04 PM (EDT) |
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2. "RE: Deciding Where to Move"
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Austin has year round riding, and lotsa veggie granola options the biggest downer is that the housing market is expensive, one of the cities that the housing is not getting cheaper |
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JessicaE
Member since Jul-21-06
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Oct-27-06, 05:13 PM (EDT) |
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3. "RE: Deciding Where to Move"
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-27-06 AT 05:16 PM (EDT) are you only considering kinda major cities? Philly's great - especially when you aren't from there and have the desire to explore. However. Philadelphians can be pretty rude and public transportation is pretty shitty - as is the traffic. there is the great neighborhood aspect, though - every section of the city feels different. I've lived there and Pittsburgh (and western mass...great please to be vegan and lots of young girlies, but does get pretty cold) - Pittsburgh is a cheaper and more 'hip' in terms of an indie scene, but Philly's got a great thing about it - Amtrak, major international airport, and you're close to everything in the northeast. Oh - and philly's weather is WAY better than Chicago! It might snow a little, but the wind and overall freeze of winter that chicago has...nothing like that in Philly that I can ever remember (blizzard of 96 not included)
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David K
Member since Jun-7-02
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Oct-27-06, 07:03 PM (EDT) |
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4. "RE: Deciding Where to Move"
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My wife lived a good portion of her life in Knoxvegas. I frigging love that part of the country. I'd move there if it wasn't for the fact that she prefers to SoCal to TN. David K In my dreams, I slash your tires. BTSC http://www.burgundytopz.com |
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Strom Thurmond
Member since Mar-1-04
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Oct-27-06, 07:33 PM (EDT) |
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5. "RE: Deciding Where to Move"
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-27-06 AT 07:44 PM (EDT) Philadelphia, PA - never been there, so I can't say. Nashville or Knoxville, TN - Nashville is too self concious and touristy and Knoxville is boring. Louisville, KY - Of the options you provided, this would be my choice. I agree that it is precariously close to John Cougar Mellancamp land, but the people are friendly, the city has a decent counterculture/entertainment district, and the cost of living is low. I don't know if there is a scooter scene in Louisville, but I do know there is a small scene in Lexington. Maybe you might also consider Lexington? The Kentucky stereotypes are perpetuated by people who have never been there and who are confusing Kentucky with...... Southern Louisiana - If you don't like hillbilly jokes, I definetly wouldn't move here. As is evident from this board, La. has some nice people living there. It's the rest of them that are the problem. Louisiana and Mississippi are the states that deserve the reputation that Kentucky has. R-a-c-i-s-t.
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ExclamationPoint
Member since Feb-6-06
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Oct-27-06, 07:54 PM (EDT) |
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6. "RE: Deciding Where to Move"
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-27-06 AT 07:56 PM (EDT) Denver!Also check out Eugene OR. ~!
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32
Member since Jun-7-02
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Oct-28-06, 08:40 AM (EDT) |
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7. "RE: Deciding Where to Move"
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well for some reason you totally skipped nc on your trip. anyway, durham is really cool. there's a lot of fresh and new going on with the opening of new bars and restaurants in the renovated tobacco warehouses and right now the housing market is on the inexpensive side.come to freeze your balls off, and we can show ya around. 32 incriminators sc durham, nc
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spoffy
Member since Jan-12-04
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Oct-28-06, 11:31 AM (EDT) |
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8. "Unrelated Question..."
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Whereever you go, that city's going to be getting an exceptional artist - was just checking out your site, totally great stuff!! We have a bet going - how do you pronounce your last name? Please spell phonetically.  |
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pj_chmiel
Member since Feb-23-04
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Oct-28-06, 01:55 PM (EDT) |
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9. "RE: Unrelated Question..."
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Thanks to all for the feedback and ideas, very much appreciated. Sorry I didn't make it through most of NC, I wanted to see the mountain areas more so I went all the way west in Virginia (I used to live in Norfolk and have been to the Chapel Hill area a couple of times before, it is nice). Spoffy, thanks for the compliment on my work. My last name is pronounced something like "sh-'meel", it's a Polish name. |
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chopper
Member since Jun-9-02
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Oct-28-06, 03:48 PM (EDT) |
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10. "RE: Unrelated Question..."
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schlemiel?
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pj_chmiel
Member since Feb-23-04
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Oct-29-06, 10:29 AM (EDT) |
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13. "RE: Unrelated Question..."
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unfortunately very close to that, yes. |
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32
Member since Jun-7-02
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Oct-29-06, 09:00 AM (EDT) |
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12. "RE: Unrelated Question..."
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>Thanks to all for the feedback and ideas, very much >appreciated. Sorry I didn't make it through most of NC, I >wanted to see the mountain areas more so I went all the way >west in Virginia (I used to live in Norfolk and have been to >the Chapel Hill area a couple of times before, it is nice). i was just giving you a hard time. your route map made me laugh. it looked like you were avoiding nc like road kill in your lane. 32 incriminators sc durham, nc
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jloony
Member since Jun-7-02
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Oct-28-06, 04:09 PM (EDT) |
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11. "RE: Deciding Where to Move"
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ok..i wouldn’t want to say one place is better than another,,,, buttttt...ever consider Albuquerque NM? of course you haven’t... wondrous scenery..... mountains, the high desert, alpine forests... fantastic rivers... ruins of the spanish and american indians... great scooter riding weather...almost all year round! a very very mild winter...it snows..but it melts by noon... a hot ..but not humid...summer (it usually never gets beyond 102) most everything for the outdoor/earthy type, - camping, hiking, hunting, fishing........... a mixed cultural heritage of anglo/indian/and spanish... with beautiful..(i think)..architecture... a revitalized local economy.... still a small city... slow paced..monyana attitude.... organic coops..2 natural & organic food stores ... 4 (plus trader joes) a fairly balanced political spectrum..... and the housing market isint over the top.... sure there are some negative things..the school systems (if you have kids)...are awful.. crime rate...(as any city) is fairly high vs population... etc etc... maybe a visit?
regards j gv
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