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meat_is_murder
Member since Nov-28-03
270 posts
Aug-09-04, 11:17 PM (EDT)
 
"moped problem."
 
   my friend has a moped he wants me to take a look at, he tells me it starts and runs when its on the kick stand but when you put weight on it and try to ride it it goes a few feet and just bogs out and dies, anyone know what the problem could be, im thinking it might be running to rich or might have a fuel problem..


 

 
Bob
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Aug-10-04, 02:25 AM (EDT)
 
1. "RE: moped problem."
In response to message #0
 
   Wanna give us a clue what make and model of moped your friend has?


 
meat_is_murder
Member since Nov-28-03
270 posts
Aug-10-04, 12:07 PM (EDT)
 
3. "RE: moped problem."
In response to message #1
 
   thats the thing, he doesnt know crap about it, he couldnt even remember the name, hes bringing it over on saturday so i can check it out, ill post what make and model and more details when i get it.


 
donp
Member since Sep-8-02
995 posts
Aug-10-04, 07:52 AM (EDT)
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2. "RE: moped problem."
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   sounds like a dirty carb to me.

donp

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1695 Sunview dr
Lyndhurst, Ohio 44124


 
Sean
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Aug-11-04, 03:39 PM (EDT)
 
4. "RE: moped problem."
In response to message #0
 
   check the intake for gasket missing, defective, or leaking.


 
SE
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Aug-13-04, 03:47 PM (EDT)
 
5. "RE: moped problem."
In response to message #4
 
   ..or its sucking air someplace due to missing aiur cleaner perhaps, or it also could have a clogged exhaust, and too much back pressure keeps it from running up rpms


 
meat_is_murder
Member since Nov-28-03
270 posts
Aug-18-04, 05:21 AM (EDT)
 
6. "this is what i got.. help me out"
In response to message #0
 
   ok so my friend brings me this 1995 kinetic moped he says his dad bought from cosco back in 95.. it turns out it wont start now. i pulled the carb and opened it up to check if it was dirty and its clean as can be.. theres no gasket either for the intake it just tightens onto the intake shaft. i pulled the exhaust to make sure it wasnt pluged up.. its not, i checked for spark... yep its got spark, i sprayed a bunck of starting fluid and tried to get it going and nothing happens.. one thing i found was the mixture screw was out about 5 turns.. i didnt think that was right so i put it to about 1 and a half.. help me get this thing going..


 
Bob
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Aug-18-04, 09:00 PM (EDT)
 
7. "RE: this is what i got.. help me out"
In response to message #6
 
   You said the there was no "gasket" for the intake. Did the carb or intake pipe have a hollow cylinder shaped plastic shim or collar. It's got to have this or the Kinetic won't run.

Did you remove the main jet and clean it so you can see through the hole?

Do you have both the ignition key and the RUN siwtch on the right handle bar on?

Are you pushing down on the choke lever on the back of the carb each time you try to start it?

Does it have the air filter box on the back of the carb?

The screw on the side is for the idle adjustment, it isn't an air mixture screw. You screw it in to increase idle speed and out to decrease.


 
95 elite
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Aug-19-04, 02:09 AM (EDT)
 
8. "RE: this is what i got.. help me out"
In response to message #7
 
   when i first bought my moped i had the exact same problem.the person i bought it from didnt know what was wrong and it ran for a short time then died out. What i did was take the filter out and clean it and try to start it by choking it with my hand and rolling it over a couple time to get gas in the carb(i dont have autochoke) then try and starting it. I think u might have a dirty filter or a dirty muffler that can cause too much backpressure.if that is the case take the muffler out and try to start it and if u get it running when muffler is on then pour a bit of diesal in the muffler to get the coked oil out and all that crud.


 
meat_is_murder
Member since Nov-28-03
270 posts
Aug-19-04, 04:47 PM (EDT)
 
9. "RE: this is what i got.. help me out"
In response to message #7
 
   i took the carb out again today and checked it again.. i was wrong, i do see the plastic gasket inside i must have over looked it. i removed the main jet and can see through it, the carb is super clean, looks like new. i have both the key and run switches on and i checked for spark the one thing thats kinda bothering me is it looks as if someone had the head set opened at one time and im not sure if they played around with the wires or not.. but it does have spark.. not sure if the coil or something else could be grounding it out...? i can turn off the key switch and i still got spark... if i turn off the run switch thats when i dont have spark. i am pushing on the choke each time i try to start it.. but i didnt have the air cleaner on it because i was spraying starting fluid down it each time.. why would not haveing the cleaner on cause it not to start? i put the air cleaner back on it and tried once again.. still nothing.. and i have the idle screw set to 1 and a half. and i pulled the exhaust to check for air flow, looks good to me. im all out of ideas, im leaning towards an electrical problem or its leaking air some place although i dont know because i got gas, compression, and spark.. it should run..


 
Sean
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Aug-19-04, 06:47 PM (EDT)
 
10. "RE: this is what i got.. help me out"
In response to message #9
 
   Where are you squirting the starting fluid? intake or plug hole?
I have yet to see an engine, with compression and spark, that wouldnt at least burp when you shoot a bit of starting fluid in the plug hole...

Could the plug boot / wire be coming loose when you put the plug back in?

What about timing, does it appear to be in the ballpark? That spark needs to happen at the right time...

Good luck,
Sean


 
meat_is_murder
Member since Nov-28-03
270 posts
Aug-19-04, 08:36 PM (EDT)
 
11. "RE: this is what i got.. help me out"
In response to message #10
 
   i tried both ways, 2 or 3 times i think i felt it kick maybe 1 time after trying to start it for an hour, but rarely and not enough to get it going. the plug wire looks good.. not sure how to check the timeing though seems pretty rapid when i crank it over. theres no points on this thing. i think it would have to be fireing completly backwards for it to be doing what its doing now. i dont know how that could be possable.


 
Bob
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Aug-19-04, 09:41 PM (EDT)
 
12. "RE: this is what i got.. help me out"
In response to message #11
 
   Maybe I missed it, do you have a new spark plug? If not get a new plug, NGK B6HS gap =.020

Doesn't sound like electrical problem if you have spark when the key and switch are turned on and no spark when your turn off the handle bar switch.

Are you kick starting or pedaling when it is on the center stand.

Try this;

All swicthes ON
1.get a new plug
2. Make sure the petcock is in a position where you have gas flow
3.squirt some starter fluid spary in the spark hole and out in the new plug
4. choke down on back of the carb and air cleaner box on the carb
5. get on and push the decompression lever on the left handle bar
6. pedal like like hell and give it some throttle.

You'll have to push down on the choke on each start try.

Sometimes it takes a lot of pedaling to get enough suction from the engine to pull gas throughy the carb on an old bike that has been setting for a long time.

Also check your tail light/brake light dual bulb to make sure it is not burned out.


 
meat_is_murder
Member since Nov-28-03
270 posts
Aug-22-04, 02:17 AM (EDT)
 
13. "im almost there but still need help"
In response to message #12
 
   after takeing off the exhaust and trying to start once again, it actually started to kick over, it seems like it will only try to start, it fires for a second or 2 but wont actually catch and run.. seems as if it doesnt want to idel, and just bogs out and dies when i give it throttle when trying to start, its like either way choke or no choke throttle or no throttle it just dies after a couple seconds. does anyone know the correct idel setting for the screw and will it run with the exhaust off? or will i have to clean it and put it back on for it to run? what could be causeing this?


 
donp
Member since Sep-8-02
995 posts
Aug-23-04, 09:06 AM (EDT)
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14. "RE: im almost there but still need help"
In response to message #13
 
   after reading this whole thread, twice, i have a few questions and some ideas.
first, get rid of the starting fluid. this stuff WILL burn a hole in the top of your piston.
second, do as bob suggested and get a new plug.
third, put your exhaust back on.
fourth, re clean your carb, only this time, use a fine piece of wire and run it thru every hole you can find in the carb body and all its parts. it sounds to me like you have a clogged passage. use a magnifying glass to locatevery small holes.
fifth, get me some compression numbers. do this with the throttle wide open. you want to see 120 lbs or higher.

now, here's a little test. spray carb cleaner into the carb throat with everything bolted back on (exhaust) and try to start it. if it fires, you have a fuel problem. if it does not fire, you have either an ignition or compression problem. and since you know it has spark, i would think ignition is good. timing isnt really an issue on these engines. they will fire no matter how far advanced or retarded the stator is. only a sheared flywheel key would be an issue.
make sure the head bolts are torqued to 10 ft/lbs. the screw on the carb is an idle speed adjustment, not a mixture screw. dont worry about where it is set until the engine is running. once running, you adjust this screw so that the engine runs at the highest speed possible without the rear wheel spinning while on the center stand.
the reasons it wants to start with the exhaust off is;
low compression
bad crankseal
without numbers i cant tell you which direction to go here. ive never seen a muffler so badly plugged that an engine wont at least fire and run for a couple seconds. they have to build up pressure in order for that to happen. think about a balloon, it take a bit to fill it to capacity right? well it takes a muffler a while to fill to capacity as well. and in most cases a plugged muffler affects top end more than idle speeds and starting.
while you have the exhaust off, look up into the exhaust port, and roll the engine over by hand and look at the piston side wall. if you see scratches or smear marks, you need to rebuild the top end. if you cant see the piston, clean the exhaust port out. while looking up at the piston, move it into position where you can see the rings. then use a prick punch, push inward on the rings to see if they move freely. if not, you need to rebuild the top end. if they move, you need to do a compression test to see how bad they are.
another idea for you is to take the bike to a lawn and garden repair shop, or a motorcycle shop, and have them do a leak down test to see where your compression is going.

i still think you have a dirty carb tho. or lowcompression?

donp

Mow-Ped
lawn mowers-bicycles-mopeds
sales and service
1695 Sunview dr
Lyndhurst, Ohio 44124


 
shezzyfee
Member since Nov-5-04
27 posts
Nov-06-04, 08:12 AM (EDT)
 
18. "RE: im almost there but still need help"
In response to message #13
 
   Hi i don't know if this will be any help but does this moped have a coil? I had this sort of problem before with a twist n go scooter, the garage had it for 3 weeks told me they thought it was an electrical problem, got electrition to look at it and it was all down to coil.I had paid them to fit brand new coil and they were putting second hand one in!but when other guy looked at it fitted it with new coil it ran perfect.My problem was the exact same as yours in every way.Hope this helps.


 
meat_is_murder
Member since Nov-28-03
270 posts
Sep-12-04, 03:40 PM (EDT)
 
15. "moped for sale... cheap."
In response to message #0
 
   after putting on a compression gauge i find that it has a little over 125 lbs in the cylinder, and it doesnt want to start with the exhaust on, it only fires a few times and only when the exhaust is off. the carb is super clean. my conclusion is it has a bad seal in the bottem end.. i dont want to deal with that.. neither does the guy who owns it, so he wants to sell it.. i think he only wants $150 but could probably get it for less..


 
Bob
unregistered user
Sep-12-04, 04:07 PM (EDT)
 
16. "RE: moped for sale... cheap."
In response to message #15
 
   Where is the Kinetic located?


 
meat_is_murder
Member since Nov-28-03
270 posts
Sep-12-04, 11:33 PM (EDT)
 
17. "RE: moped for sale... cheap."
In response to message #16
 
   riverside california, 92509


 
justRLuck
unregistered user
Oct-10-05, 11:32 PM (EDT)
 
19. "RE: moped for sale... cheap."
In response to message #17
 
   Kinetic engine seals dry out and crack - losing compression on the bottom end - after 10 years. My 1995 TFR acted the same way... almost start but everything looks fine: spark, fuel, air.

One important note on any older moped or bike (especially mopeds since the materials are so small and flimsy) be aware of welding joints. My right fork axle mount seperated from the fork while I was riding. Damn near killed me when it flipped me face first into the pavement and then landed on top of me.

None the worse for the crash I replaced the fork and ride still.


 

 

 






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