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bigredboots
Member since Jul-31-05
70 posts
Jun-03-06, 02:23 AM (EDT)
 
"the most reliable scooter ever"
 
   LAST EDITED ON Jun-03-06 AT 02:24 AM (EDT)
 
SO for the dozenth or so time, my baron decides to crap out in the road. This time it does notstart up - soI have to let it sit while I get a new can of starter fluid.
Red Handed Jill has had to have her carb replaced ( stuck carb), Magneto replaced twice, the muffler lost it's batting and it unscrewed and sheared itself from the scoot on the road, and now only starts with a spray of starter fluid in the air intake. This since september last year.
MY wife and I talk and she is willing to put 4000ish into the most dependable 150cc+ scooter out there. I need a workhorse, something that starts in freezing cold weather and can do 55-60 for a hour straight. The brick and mortars around here sell vespas, TNG, Yamaha, honda, genuine and kymco. OUt of personal experience, plus so many of you have ridden so many bikes for so long - what is the most hard to break bike on the market?

I once thought of calling myself Red-handed Jill,” she said diffidently.
And a good name too. We'll call you that here, bully, if you join.
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Bryce Ludwig
Member since Dec-21-03
4441 posts
Jun-03-06, 02:28 AM (EDT)
 
1. "RE: the most reliable scooter ever"
In response to message #0
 
   LAST EDITED ON Jun-03-06 AT 02:30 AM (EDT)
 
Bajaj and Kymco seem to be pretty durable. Scooters with Piaggio LEADER 150 engines generally seem to be pretty tough too. Were it not for an isolated and odd failure, I would basically have only replaced the roller weights, belt, tires and brake pads in 7,200 miles and oil changes.

- Bryce Ludwig


 
AD_FCSC
Member since Nov-17-02
262 posts
Jun-03-06, 10:27 AM (EDT)
 
2. "RE: the most reliable scooter ever"
In response to message #1
 
  
ET4-LX..., and it will still be worth something if you decide to sell it.

Cheers, A.D.
Fist City


 
Strom Thurmond
Member since Mar-1-04
574 posts
Jun-03-06, 10:33 AM (EDT)
 
3. "RE: the most reliable scooter ever"
In response to message #1
 
   LAST EDITED ON Jun-03-06 AT 10:41 AM (EDT)
 
I would go with TGB or Kymco for reliability.


 
HFC_Tom
Member since Jan-9-03
1315 posts
Jun-03-06, 10:43 AM (EDT)
 
4. "RE: the most reliable scooter ever"
In response to message #0
 
   >SO for the dozenth or so time, my baron decides to crap out
>in the road. This time it does notstart up - soI have to
>let it sit while I get a new can of starter fluid.
>Red Handed Jill has had to have her carb replaced ( stuck
>carb), Magneto replaced twice, the muffler lost it's batting
>and it unscrewed and sheared itself from the scoot on the
>road, and now only starts with a spray of starter fluid in
>the air intake. This since september last year.
>MY wife and I talk and she is willing to put 4000ish into
>the most dependable 150cc+ scooter out there. I need a
>workhorse, something that starts in freezing cold weather
>and can do 55-60 for a hour straight. The brick and mortars
>around here sell vespas, TNG, Yamaha, honda, genuine and
>kymco. OUt of personal experience, plus so many of you have
>ridden so many bikes for so long - what is the most hard to
>break bike on the market?

The old Honda Elite or Helix 250s. They last forever.

If I remember my story right, Dave from Denver bought this at a yard sale about two weeks before Down & Dirty NOLA two years ago and then rode it from Denver to NOLA. Apparently it had been sitting for ages in some garage and with a fresh battery, carb clean & fresh oil it ran with no problems from Denver to New Orleans flat out.

The Honda Spacey (elite in other countries) page:
http://www.staddle.net/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=spacy

I know guys that *swear* by the Honda 250 4T engines, and they usually run 30k with minimal repairs (belt changes, tires, etc).

And for resale, I sold a Katrina Flooded Helix to a dude in Wisconsin for about $500. He drove from Wisconsin to NOLA in two days to pick it up from me.

Now, having said that I know the Helix & Elite are about the most hideous bikes on the road.

However, Kymco has been building a Honda Pattern 250 4T engine, as well as the 150cc version for many, many bikes (including a few Piaggios over the years)

http://www.kymcousa.com/

I used to have a Bet & Win 250 for my "demo" when I worked at a Kymco shop. Rode it for about 2,000 miles before turning it in with zero problems (well, I hated the mirrors)

They also have a 150cc version out now.

Or listen to A.D. about the Vespa/Piaggio bikes. They're also top quality.

-=Tom
"Down & Dirty" Motorcycle Mechanic
Chuck House Motorsports
New Orleans, LA


 
Bryce Ludwig
Member since Dec-21-03
4441 posts
Jun-04-06, 01:55 AM (EDT)
 
9. "RE: the most reliable scooter ever"
In response to message #4
 
   The Bet & Win is fun. It feels like a small scooter with a big engine. I bet there was a bit of sadness when you had to turn it back in.

- Bryce Ludwig


 
streetlightpoet
Member since Jan-31-06
95 posts
Jun-04-06, 10:36 PM (EDT)
 
12. "RE: the most reliable scooter ever"
In response to message #4
 
   Theres a '01 Helix near me for sale with 10k on it. I'd love to get it if I had any money, but $2300 for a new scoot just isn't in the budget.


 
adminadmin
Member since May-28-02
1518 posts
Jun-03-06, 11:12 AM (EDT)
 
5. "RE: the most reliable scooter ever"
In response to message #0
 
   LAST EDITED ON Jun-03-06 AT 11:20 AM (EDT)
 
I have found that most times a baron carb has been replaced, in reality it had a clogged mainjet and didnt need replacement. Why was the magneto replaced? You mean stator? Who is working on this?

We have also found that the mufflers can have the exhaust manifold nuts not tight enough from the factory and we torque them down as standard PDI.

We are now seeing baron retros come in with 14,000 km and needing general service and then they go back into service. I find they just need service and they can go a long time.

I think the Kymco people 150 is the most reliable 150 out there.


 
DogBoy
Member since Apr-29-06
17 posts
Jun-03-06, 04:29 PM (EDT)
 
6. "RE: the most reliable scooter ever"
In response to message #5
 
   bigredboots,

I know this was not your question, and at the risk of boring those that have heard me say this before, I had a similar problem. One of my TN'G Lowboy 150s (similar to Baron) would not start cold and replacing the plug and carb did not help. I was a starting spray junkie for a while. The dealer finally found it was simple weak ground to the block. He put on a ground strap and it starts first hit.

An easy test of this would be to just take a single jumper cable from the black negative battery terminal (make sure it is the neg terminal) and clip the other end to the block somewhere and try to start.



DogBoy
TN'G LowBoy 150
Charlotte, NC
Seat lowering fiasco: http://home.carolina.rr.com/slidehome/lowseat.htm


 
jrsjr
Member since Apr-12-04
1190 posts
Jun-03-06, 07:17 PM (EDT)
 
7. "RE: the most reliable scooter ever"
In response to message #5
 
   >
>I think the Kymco People 150 is the most reliable 150 out
>there.

Admin would not lead you astray on this. If you're going to spend that kind of money, spend it on the Kymco. It's a good scooter with a real warranty and service and parts availability and resale value.

John Smith


 
Douglas Vespa
Member since Sep-17-05
255 posts
Jun-05-06, 10:44 AM (EDT)
 
14. "RE: the most reliable scooter ever"
In response to message #7
 
   >If you're going to
>spend that kind of money, spend it on the Kymco. It's a good
>scooter with a real warranty and service and parts
>availability and resale value.

Isn't the P150 about to become an orphan? Might want to wait and get the new P125.

Doug

Flame from Brooke to follow.


 
jrsjr
Member since Apr-12-04
1190 posts
Jun-05-06, 11:30 AM (EDT)
 
16. "RE: the most reliable scooter ever"
In response to message #14
 
   >
>Isn't the P150 about to become an orphan? Might want to
>wait and get the new P125.
>
Beter yet, use that as leverage to get a better deal on the soon-to-be-orphaned P150.

John Smith


 
Bryce Ludwig
Member since Dec-21-03
4441 posts
Jun-05-06, 12:28 PM (EDT)
 
17. "RE: the most reliable scooter ever"
In response to message #14
 
   Orphan is the wrong term. By that description the Vespa ET and Piaggio LT series are also orphans. They are merely the outgoing models that will still be supported for years to come.

As much as I like the look of the People S 125, it's not likely to be as fast as the People 150. There is a People S 200 (actually about 165cc) that is supposedly for the Italian market only, but they had one on display at Indy.

- Bryce Ludwig


 
HyPro Scooters
Member since Oct-19-05
37 posts
Jun-03-06, 08:02 PM (EDT)
 
8. "RE: the most reliable scooter ever"
In response to message #0
 
   ALong with Kymco......DAELIM!! the S2-125 or S2-250 are GREAT scooters!

Mike Land
Hy-Pro Scooters
Pittsburgh, Pa
412-881-1425
"ITS A BURGH THANG"
http://hyproscooters.tripod.com/


 
tastroman
Member since Mar-28-05
45 posts
Jun-04-06, 06:39 PM (EDT)
 
10. "RE: the most reliable scooter ever"
In response to message #8
 
   I have had great luck with an 87 250 Honda Elite. 43,000 on it with nothing but belts and tire changes for repairs. In fact, I shredded a belt yesterday that Honda recomends you change every 12,000 miles. Mine shredded with 23,000 miles on it.


 
Strom Thurmond
Member since Mar-1-04
574 posts
Jun-04-06, 09:38 PM (EDT)
 
11. "RE: the most reliable scooter ever"
In response to message #0
 
   Your starting problem sounds like either the autobystarter isn't working or Lev has said that if the valves are out of adjustment it will be hard to start. Take a look at the Baron message board. I posted a message recently for a guy that was having a hard time starting his Baron. I think it might help you.


How many Kilometers do you have on your Baron?


 
monzav8
Member since Mar-22-06
163 posts
Jun-04-06, 10:51 PM (EDT)
 
13. "RE: the most reliable scooter ever"
In response to message #0
 
   Two quick pics in the that price range: Kymco B&W 150 & Vespa LX 150. They are both very reliable, but the Kymco is $700 less and has a 2-year parts/labor warrantee (Vespa is 1yr).

Vino 125 is also (in my opinion) a good value at ~$2700. Only down side is dealers generally arnt interested in selling them, and their mechanics arnt all that scooter literate. I dont recall what the warrantee is.


 
Douglas Vespa
Member since Sep-17-05
255 posts
Jun-05-06, 10:51 AM (EDT)
 
15. "RE: the most reliable scooter ever"
In response to message #13
 
   >Vino 125 ... I dont recall what the warranty is.

Yammy offers a 4 year, unlimited mileage, fully transferable, good at any dealer warranty with trip interuption protection. Honda offers a five year, unlimited mileage, fully transferable, good at any dealer warranty with included roadside service. Neither offers a 150 in the USA.

Doug

Flame from Brooke to follow.


 

 

 


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