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drbass
Member since Apr-24-06
1 posts
Apr-24-06, 11:47 AM (EDT)
 
"How many CC do I really need?"
 
   Hi,

With the talk of gas prices rising close to $4.00/gallon this summer I have really started to look at getting a scooter for my in town jog to work every day. It seems like it would almost pay for itself since filling up my car already takes close to 60 bucks a tank.

So the question is how many CC do I really need? I'm a pretty good sized guy 6foot 2inch, 235 lbs. The top speed limit I would be going would be 45 mph but it would be nice if I could go 50 to keep up with traffic. The other thing is I would really like to be able to carry a passenger, perferably a cute girl. : ) The passenger would be a plus but again I'm really looking for cost effectiveness. So what should I be looking at 150cc, 250cc, 50?

Thanks for any advice
Drbass


 

 
Big Al
Member since Jun-7-02
2578 posts
Apr-24-06, 11:54 AM (EDT)
 
1. "RE: How many CC do I really need?"
In response to message #0
 
   I've seen kitted 50s that will do 50+mph but that takes some work & $$$. A decent 150 would most likely do the trick. You can get Chinese 150s for well cheaper than other brands (Italian, Japanese, Taiwanese), but experience is they're generally 5-10mph slower depending on build quality. You gotta pay to play, or so they say.


 
Bryce Ludwig
Member since Dec-21-03
4441 posts
Apr-24-06, 12:05 PM (EDT)
 
2. "RE: How many CC do I really need?"
In response to message #0
 
   A 150 sounds like it would meet your needs quite well for just you, and the occasional cute girl. If you are constantly giving rides to pretty ladies then you might want to go the 250cc route. Not as much for more power, but for more space. Though there are some 150cc scoots that will carry a rider and passenger comfortably. When you do your shopping, you should have a potential cute passenger come along to help you find one that would be comfortable.

- Bryce Ludwig


 
sixscooter
Member since Oct-24-05
61 posts
Apr-24-06, 12:40 PM (EDT)
 
3. "RE: How many CC do I really need?"
In response to message #0
 
   Sounds exactly like what i currently use my 150cc for. I'm 190 lbs (6' tall), my 14-year-old daughter is about 120 (5'8" tall) and we are very comfortable on our TGB.

I drive it to and from work most days, and it's 15 miles r/t. I hit speeds of 60 easily (just keeping up with traffic mind you). But the speed limit on these roads is 35 to 45.

Hope that helps. I went through all the same considerations, and 150cc was what I arrived at.


Oh, here's an article in our local newspaper about me and my scooter (it may take a little while to load, for some reason their website is slow:
http://www.gwinnettdailypost.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=35&url_article_id=14255&url_subchannel_id=&change_well_id=2

"Good Guys Always Finish First. If you don't believe that, you probably don't know where the finish line is." - Gary Shandling



 
lseguy
Member since Dec-22-05
45 posts
Apr-24-06, 01:56 PM (EDT)
 
4. "RE: How many CC do I really need?"
In response to message #3
 
   I use my RX200HP (155cc with built in oil cooler) for the same purpose, but my commute is approx 23 miles each way. 1200 miles so it's fully broken in now. Pulls nice and strong up to 50mph...will then pull slowly up to 55mph, and will creep up to 62mph if given enough room, or if the traffic is heavy enough around me to create a nice wind "draft".

I can easily use it on anything other than I-95, and that is not an option, nor was it ever, or will it ever.

Paid $1200 for it from a local owner (used with 42 miles on it) late last summer and enjoy using it MUCH more than the car for the daily commutes in nice weather.


 
old97
Member since Jul-8-04
2842 posts
Apr-24-06, 05:06 PM (EDT)
 
5. "RE: How many CC do I really need?"
In response to message #0
 
   Im shorter and heaviev than you and i ride a 150cc kymco people at 45mph (on the speedo) daily and have gotten faster. Ive never had a passenger though.


http://static.flickr.com/53/133740641_e0c115bb06.jpg?v=0


 
tastroman
Member since Mar-28-05
45 posts
Apr-24-06, 05:45 PM (EDT)
 
6. "RE: How many CC do I really need?"
In response to message #5
 
   I like a 250 because you can take it on just about any road. I do not ride on the freeway that much but if I have to I can with a top speed of about 75. And the bike is still nimble around town.


 
CommuterSteve
Member since Aug-28-05
427 posts
Apr-25-06, 00:51 AM (EDT)
 
8. "RE: How many CC do I really need?"
In response to message #6
 
   I'll echo everyone else. You need 150CCs or more. Carrying a passenger regularly means 250CC. If you're 235, and most hot chicks are somewhere around 150, that puts you near the maximum capacity for a wide range of 150CC scooters. Don't plan on much over 60 mph out of a 150CC, because lots of them are pretty much maxed out at that speed. No doubt some will do closer to 70 maxed out, but that's no way to treat a 150CC scooter. Nor is putting 400 pounds on one. It's probably somewhat dangerous as well, IMHO.

Steve
2005 Tank Urban Sporty 150
http://commutersteve.blogspot.com/


 
jrsjr
Member since Apr-12-04
1190 posts
Apr-24-06, 07:18 PM (EDT)
 
7. "RE: How many CC do I really need?"
In response to message #0
 
   LAST EDITED ON Apr-24-06 AT 07:26 PM (EDT)
 
>So the question is how many CC do I really need? I'm a
>pretty good sized guy 6foot 2inch, 235 lbs. The top speed
>limit I would be going would be 45 mph but it would be nice
>if I could go 50 to keep up with traffic. The other thing
>is I would really like to be able to carry a passenger,
>perferably a cute girl. : ) The passenger would be a plus
>but again I'm really looking for cost effectiveness.

I'm your size and (was) your weight. No offense to anybody, but every time I ride a 150 4-stroke, I think, "Gee, I wonder how much a big-cylinder kit and performance exhaust for this scooter would cost?" I think you'd be happier with a used 250cc, I'm thinking Kymco People or Bet&Win or a Honda Helix or Reflex than a new 150.

My $0.0250 worth...

John Smith


 
Brooke
Member since Jun-3-02
2807 posts
Apr-25-06, 02:44 PM (EDT)
 
9. "RE: How many CC do I really need?"
In response to message #7
 
   I'm his size and every time a ride a 150 4 stroke, I think, this heavy boat anchor isn't nearly as fun as a 70cc two stroke!


 
Sting
Member since Dec-23-05
36 posts
Apr-25-06, 07:52 PM (EDT)
 
10. "RE: How many CC do I really need?"
In response to message #9
 
   Now, let's add the cute girl. Another 150? How about 500c.c's

My scooter, is my dog.


 
Brooke
Member since Jun-3-02
2807 posts
Apr-25-06, 08:09 PM (EDT)
 
11. "RE: How many CC do I really need?"
In response to message #10
 
   nah, all the girls used to love to take a ride on my honda aero 80. Maybe it was just me. Ya, come to think of it, it was.


 
Smorgasbord
Member since Dec-19-05
27 posts
Apr-26-06, 04:56 PM (EDT)
 
12. "RE: How many CC do I really need?"
In response to message #0
 
   >It seems like it would almost pay for itself since filling up my car
>already takes close to 60 bucks a tank.

Well, assuming you don't actually sell the car, it's probably going to be hard to make the scooter pay for itself.

At $4/gallon, a 20 MPG car will cost $0.20 per mile in gas. A 67 MPG scooter will cost $0.06 per mile. That's $0.14 per mile in savings. If you can transfer 30 miles per working day to the scooter, that's about 6000 miles a year, or $840/year.

Now, figure in maintenance on your scooter, say $100/year. Add in insurance, say $200 a year. So, running costs you're saving $540/year.

Now, and this is the hard part, figure in the capital costs. What's this new 250cc scooter going to cost? Say $3000. Add in helmet, gloves, armoured jackets, maybe overpants, say another $500. How long is this scooter going to last you? Say 5 years (30,000 miles). $3500/5 is $700 per year.

Guess what? Doing 6000 miles on your 67MPG scooter instead of your 20MPG car is going to cost you $160/year.

Doesn't make sense economically. But, it's worth 10X in fun, even without the cute girl.


 
BluebadgeBob
Member since Feb-16-05
58 posts
Apr-26-06, 09:50 PM (EDT)
 
13. "RE: How many CC do I really need?"
In response to message #12
 
  
>Guess what? Doing 6000 miles on your 67MPG scooter instead
>of your 20MPG car is going to cost you $160/year.
>
>Doesn't make sense economically. But, it's worth 10X in fun,
>even without the cute girl.

Smorgasborg, your calculations are ignoring a few facts like maintence not require on the car your not driving. 6k miles is at least 2 oil changes not required plus loads of wear and tear on tires etc. Your also ignoring trade in value over the 5 year life of the scooter you quote. You didn't put 30k miles on the car, big difference in value when you trade or sell it. Also your insurance quote on the scooter seems high, I pay about $100/year for each of my scooters. The car insurance you pay should also be less because part of it is based on annual miles driven. Driving a high milage low cost vehicle is going to save you money.

Back to the original question , I wouldn't consider anything less than 150cc. There are several options available in this size and it willl get you were you need to go plus there is a used market for scooters in this size. Anything but a collectable 50cc scooter (think older Vespa) and you'll be selling in a garage sale when you want to get rid of it.


 
Smorgasbord
Member since Dec-19-05
27 posts
Apr-27-06, 10:42 AM (EDT)
 
14. "RE: How many CC do I really need?"
In response to message #13
 
   >Smorgasborg, your calculations are ignoring a few facts ...

First, when I posted this here I hadn't yet seen the other thread where costs were being discussed. So, sorry for hijaking this thread.

Yes, you save maintenance on the car, but you add maintenance on the scooter. Depending on the car and scooter, I believe which is cheaper could go either way. For instance, with a scooter you only have 2 tires, but you're replacing them at least 6X more often. You have less oil, but you change it more frequently (most cars in the past 10 years have oil change intervals way longer than scooters). You also have drive belts, rollers, etc. that need periodic replacing on scooters.

Yes, your car's depreciation is less due to less mileage and maybe better condition. I went to kbb.com and ran some numbers on a 7 year old Honda Civic in good condition with 78K and 48K miles. The 48K car is worth $570 more, so you save about $115/year in depreciation. Your scooter, on the other hand cost you, say, $2000 OTD, and 5 years/30,000 miles later, if it actually lasted that long, is worth $0. Really. That's $400/year, so the net increased depreciation related cost is $285/year.

Go tell your insurance agent that you'll be driving the car 6000 miles a year less and see how much he reduces your rate. Chances are not at all.

The bottom line is that unless you're replacing a car, or transferring multiple tens of thousands of miles from car to scooter each year, you're not going to recoup the time-based additional costs of owning an additional vehicle.


 
BluebadgeBob
Member since Feb-16-05
58 posts
Apr-27-06, 01:11 PM (EDT)
 
15. "RE: How many CC do I really need?"
In response to message #14
 
   OK Smorgsabord you win. Just one question can you tell me where I can find those 5 year old 250cc scooters everyone is throwing away because they have $0 dollar value? I'd like to pick up a few dozen of them.


 
Smorgasbord
Member since Dec-19-05
27 posts
Apr-27-06, 02:14 PM (EDT)
 
16. "RE: How many CC do I really need?"
In response to message #15
 
   >where I can find those 5 year old 250cc scooters everyone is
>throwing away because they have $0 dollar value? I'd like to
>pick up a few dozen of them.

Well, I'd like to know where they got them for $1500 new.

We've all bounced all sorts of numbers in this and the other thread. We've talked replacing beater cars and talked adding a scooter while keeping fairly new cars. We've talked $1300 Chinese 150cc bikes and 250cc Chinese bikes. We haven't yet talked Vespas or Japanese bikes, but I guess that's for another BBS.

If you start with a $1300 or $1500 Chinese bike, my contention is that it's essentially worthless after 30,000 miles. If you start with a $5800 Yamaha Majesty, you'll end up with a bike still worth a few thou. You may disagree, but time will tell.

I could just as easily throw the challenge back at you - show me those 5 year old 30,000 mile Chinese scooters that cost $1500 new as being sold for any significant amount today.

We both can't, because Chinese scooters weren't for the most part sold in the US 5 years ago.


 

 

 


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