I would strongly advise against buying a bike from a company that is in major trouble with the federal government.

TN'G also has a new model called a Low Boy that has a low seat height. sells for about $2400.

TNG is the ONLY brand on the market that assembles and tests 100% of its scooters in teh USA before shipping to dealers. Of course the parts are made oversea. Engines made by joint venture partners of Honda and Yamaha, as well as other components are made in China.

http://www.universityscootersofdallas.com/

http://tngscooters.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabindex=2&tabid=128

I have one of the first Low Boys, from September 2005. Granted, mine has the 13" wheels instead of the 10s they have decided to put on them now, but it's a little taller than you might think. I am 5'10", and if I put both feet to the ground, they both touch, but not flat.

I love the scooter, though the name could be misleading to some. Again, I'm not sure how much difference it made putting 10" wheels on them now, but I'm sure we'll see.

Brandon
2005 TN'G Low Boy 150
2005 Kymco Bet & Win 250

BTW, what up with CFMoto using Honda's designs? Do they have a license, or pay Honda a royalty, or what?

Doug

On another note, as the owner of two Chinese made scoots, I obviously have no problem with the Chinese scoots as a whole. That having been said, SunL is one of a few brands that I would DEFINATELY NOT serisouly consider. Their recent behavior and attitutes aside, they've always been squirrely.

If you want to get a scooter on the cheap, your best bet is to find a dealer where you can try out several, and decide what you want in a scooter. From there, you can either get a new one from a dealer or get a used one or whatever you want to do, but at least you'll know what you want.

2005 Wildfire WF-150S
2006 Suzuki Burgman 650 Executive AN650K6E

Sorry to hear about your bad experience with the Oliver City. I've had mine since October, and have ridden it every weekend since I got it. Currently have 600 miles on the clock, and have had exactly one problem--it only goes about 35 max with restrictions on it.

I took out the restrictor washer from the variator, and put in a level one performance kit from CPI pipe (actually just a straight through connection between the cylinder and the stock muffler vice the more bent one) and can hit about 45 on the flat. I do have the level 2 kit from Provoscooters that I plan to put on later this spring. Just waiting for it to get warmer.

I did buy it from a mom and pop (actually a brother and sister operation) brick and mortar near where I live. So I've got service easily available, but other than normal maintenance at the 500 Km/300 mile mark, haven't had to have any.

What kind of issues did you have?

Salty

Actually, their VIN numbers for all models start with 5F0 not 1's. Even if the scooter is imported which the Verona and Milano are and also the Baja (I think). The difference is the NHSTA plate says Made in China on the imported scooters and Made in the USA on the ones assembled in NC.

Everything that I have read indicates that the plate should say "Assembled in the USA' not "Made in the USA". But thats not my concern.

All of TN'G's marketing is geared to make the consumer think that China is not associated with the TN'G brand. Instead of trying to place themselves at the top of the China heap which they probably have already earned, they seem to want everybody to believe that they are Red, White and Blue and not involved in the Chinese scooter invasion. That strategy is going to bite them in the butt. I know first hand how that strategy is backfiring on them from a dealer standpoint.

You are correct about Made in the USA vs. Assembled in the USA, or even Assembled in the USA from foreign components. I fully agree that their strategy is not going to go well, particularly because the ones that were assembled here were recalled, and many dealers had to do much more prep than they did on the Chinese ones. But more importantly, CMSI isn't the only visible company importing Chinese products. There are near identical products coming in with different brands and model names.

If you read their web pages today, you will see the following similar info on every product page. The following is on the Verona page.

"Don't be fooled by imitations, only CMSI manufactures the Verona for TNG. Check the manufacturer's VIN label to be sure. Only TNG offers the Quality Plus safety road test on every scooter it sells."

That indicates to me that they want the consumer to believe that whoever sees a "L" as the first digit on a vin number of a CF Moto Charm is actually seeing an imitator of the Verona. Because of that, I sold my last Verona today and won't buy any more. It is a sham.
I own A Verona myself and it is a good scooter but I'm not going to pretend to customers that CF Moto is a cheap Chinese imitator of TN'G when they actually make the darn thing to start with.

Actually it is shipped from China to Washington state in a crate from CF Moto to CMSI and then reloaded on a truck to the dealer. No assembly in the US takes place. CMSI does do testing before they ship to dealers, but since the last four I got in were a total mess, I'm not sure what the quality plus stuff means. I'll probably get canned for this, but I hate all this BS stuff that importer/distributors are pulling on dealers and customers.

Maybe some of the members here will get toether and produce a REAL US made scooter. Bryce can be the marketing dept/publicist, Decadron the dealer rep/ Patina the technical VP, Brooke the designer. I'll handle the books. Interviews for other staff please contact SE for appointments. He will check to make sure you are legal before you can submit an application. Call me in the morning before the staff meeeting, I'm going to bed now.