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Scooooota Dude
Member since Dec-23-04
79 posts
Jun-01-05, 07:30 AM (EDT)
 
"VNA VBB VNA what does it all mean?"
 
   Could someone explain what all the letters mean in terms of models/ engine sizes, what order they came out in?

THanks.


 

 
BingBang
Member since Feb-26-04
1353 posts
Jun-01-05, 07:39 AM (EDT)
 
1. "RE: VNA VBB VNA what does it all mean?"
In response to message #0
 
   Have you been to scooterhelp? Daniel lists all the Vespa models with the specs. Here is a link to the engine serial number page. Scroll down to see links to VNA VNB VBB model specs.

http://www.scooterhelp.com/serial/ves.motor.serial.numbers.html


 
Scooooota Dude
Member since Dec-23-04
79 posts
Jun-01-05, 08:35 AM (EDT)
 
2. "RE: VNA VBB VNA what does it all mean?"
In response to message #1
 
   Cool,

would you know what the equivalent to a Vespa Douglas 152L2 is in 'italian' letters.


 
JeStR
unregistered user
Jun-01-05, 10:15 AM (EDT)
 
4. "RE: VNA VBB VNA what does it all mean?"
In response to message #2
 
   LAST EDITED ON Jun-01-05 AT 10:20 AM (EDT)
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again: that gal is S-M-R-T!

(Actually, I'm referring to Chelsea's reply below.)

// JS


 
BingBang
Member since Feb-26-04
1353 posts
Jun-01-05, 11:37 AM (EDT)
 
7. "RE: VNA VBB VNA what does it all mean?"
In response to message #2
 
   LAST EDITED ON Jun-01-05 AT 11:44 AM (EDT)
 
Come on. Don't be lazy and keep fishing around scooter help.

I compared this page

http://www.scooterhelp.com/scooters/douglas.152l2.html

with pages about VNAs and VNBs

125 cc, piston ported, 5% mix, it sounds like a VNA
VNB are 125 cc but are disc valve induction with a 2% mix.


 
Chelsea
Member since Jun-3-02
3687 posts
Jun-01-05, 10:12 AM (EDT)
 
3. "RE: VNA VBB VNA what does it all mean?"
In response to message #0
 
   V is for Vespa, obviously.

N as the second letter means that the scooter in question is a largeframe with a 125cc engine. That is true all the way down the line. VNA, VNB, VNC, VNL, VNX.

B as the second letter means that it is a 150cc rotary ported largeframe. VBA, VBB, VBC, VBX.

L is also a common second letter, first found in Vespa GL150s, which are VLA. This carried thru the Sprints (VLB) and the PX150 (VLX).

The last letter tells you the age of the scooter in most cases. VNAs and VBAs are from the late 50s. The VLA was a bit of a holdout and was in production until 1964. VNBs and VBBs are from the early to mid sixties. Again we see the VLB as a holdout, remaining in production until the late 70s. In 1965 or so when they introduced the more modern body styling of the 70s Vespas, the last letter tells you a bit more. VBC and VNC are from 1965-1978 and they have 8" wheels. Anything with an X on the end is a P series Vespa.

Then of course there is the GS/SS/Rally progression, all of which are denoted by the first two letters of VS. GS150s are VS1-5. GS160s are VSB, SS180s are VSC, Rally 180s are VSD, and Rally 200s are VSE.

The letters make it really easy to see the progression of the models, and how earlier models inspired the later ones.

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chopper
Member since Jun-9-02
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Jun-01-05, 10:38 AM (EDT)
 
5. "RE: VNA VBB VNA what does it all mean?"
In response to message #3
 
   "B as the second letter means that it is a 150cc rotary ported largeframe. VBA, VBB, VBC, VBX."

there was the VB1 which was piston ported, but they only made it for 2 years in the 50s..



 
Chelsea
Member since Jun-3-02
3687 posts
Jun-01-05, 11:02 AM (EDT)
 
6. "RE: VNA VBB VNA what does it all mean?"
In response to message #5
 
   Good point. There's the VL1-3, and the VN also. I forget all of those old bikes.

So scratch the rotary ported thing. The rest is still good, and the engine sizes transfer over thru the earlier Vespas as well.

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Stabbitha
Member since May-27-03
1482 posts
Jun-01-05, 12:41 PM (EDT)
 
8. "RE: VNA VBB VNA what does it all mean?"
In response to message #3
 
   I thought the third letter indicated the number of gears, like VBB is a 150cc w/ four gears, VBA a 150 w/ three, VNB a 125 w/ four gears, VNA a 125 with three...or is that only for that series?


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e
Member since Jun-3-02
7493 posts
Jun-01-05, 01:18 PM (EDT)
 
9. "RE: VNA VBB VNA what does it all mean?"
In response to message #8
 
   Nope, doesn't have to do with gears.

V- they all start with this.
2nd digit-
N- 125cc base model
B- 150cc base model
G&L 150cc 10" middle of the line models
S Deluxe 10" models, (spare tires, 4speeds, 10" wheels) the flagship Vespas.

The 3rd digit 1-2-3-4-5-a-b-c-d-e etc is the model progresion, sometimes the 4 digit too.

VB1
VBA
VBB (VBB1, VBB2 also)
VBC

VS1 GS150
VS2 ----
VS3 ----
VS4 ----
VS5 GS150
VSB GS160
VSC SS180
VSD Rally180
VSE Rally200
VSX P200


 
Scooooota Dude
Member since Dec-23-04
79 posts
Jun-02-05, 07:30 AM (EDT)
 
10. "RE: VNA VBB VNA what does it all mean?"
In response to message #9
 
   Nice, that makes sense.

So my 1960 Vespa Douglas 152L2 would be equivalent to a VBB?


 
Chelsea
Member since Jun-3-02
3687 posts
Jun-02-05, 10:52 AM (EDT)
 
11. "RE: VNA VBB VNA what does it all mean?"
In response to message #10
 
   nope

Unless your scooter does NOT look like this as far as the headset and the carb intake, then what your scoot best resembles is a VNA.

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Scooooota Dude
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Jun-03-05, 01:13 PM (EDT)
 
13. "RE: VNA VBB VNA what does it all mean?"
In response to message #11
 
   Yep, sorry being stupid, you're bang on. VNA.


 
RH Gumbie
Member since Jun-4-02
7357 posts
Jun-02-05, 11:03 AM (EDT)
 
12. "RE: VNA VBB VNA what does it all mean?"
In response to message #10
 
   LAST EDITED ON Jun-02-05 AT 11:05 AM (EDT)
 
I have a 63 Sportique. I spent too many calls to a shop in Bristol (I'm totally blanking on the shop and name of the guy who owned it, thugh I think his son now runs the place). My understanding is that the large frame Douglas started off as mostly a VNA (non piston ported), but Douglas was quick to turn the engine into a 150 and then a 4 speed. So you'll find many VNA parts on even the later Sportique models.

If I remember, mine has a VNA cyllinder shround, crappy smaller airbox and carb and front forks, though the headset is the later VBB as is the body (square back). If you're not an annorak, replace the carb box and carb to a 20/20.

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Scooooota Dude
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Jun-03-05, 01:15 PM (EDT)
 
14. "RE: VNA VBB VNA what does it all mean?"
In response to message #12
 
   I'm just about to drop a PX200E engine in it this weekend as it happens, but if the new engine dies and i end up with the rubbish 1960's idea of an engine design, i'll swap over the carb and airbox.


 

 

 


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