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ScottyK
Member since Jun-22-02
1198 posts
Dec-05-04, 09:09 PM (EDT)
 
"TS1 or Rapido 225...."
 
   So if you had the choice,which kit would you choose.It seems that the TS1 is quite a bit more dollars. Also what carb and pipe would you use...prices??

Scott..Vancouver...

Scott..Vancouver...

D69sc
VCoC #23
Soul Madness SC
LCoUSA #78
Serveterans SC

"your scooter is kind of a pile"


 

 
MarkH
unregistered user
Dec-05-04, 09:36 PM (EDT)
 
1. "RE: TS1 or Rapido 225...."
In response to message #0
 
   I just priced out a TS1 and was kind of put off by how much it was going to cost. You are looking at about $1500-2000 depending on how much work you do yourself.


 
rain man
unregistered user
Dec-05-04, 10:11 PM (EDT)
 
2. "RE: TS1 or Rapido 225...."
In response to message #1
 
  
price really depends on what you start with, if you already have GP cases, an electronic ignition etc. you are a step ahead... if you are starting from zero, it'll run you about $3,000 to build a TS1 from carb to exhaust.


 
GS160Guy
unregistered user
Dec-06-04, 06:20 AM (EDT)
 
3. "RE: TS1 or Rapido 225...."
In response to message #2
 
   TS1 every time.


 
bart
Member since Jun-8-02
150 posts
Dec-06-04, 11:44 AM (EDT)
 
4. "RE: TS1 or Rapido 225...."
In response to message #3
 
   well the only difference in terms of the choices is the top ends...the rest of the engine is going to cost the same...anyway...ts1 225...jap piston...yamaha rod...email me if you need stuff scott...i have abunch of rods kits....


bart


 
ScottyK
Member since Jun-22-02
1198 posts
Dec-06-04, 11:47 AM (EDT)
 
5. "RE: TS1 or Rapido 225...."
In response to message #4
 
   Im just doin some research for the moment. Probably in the spring Ill have some fun with it.

Tx. S.

Scott..Vancouver...

D69sc
VCoC #23
Soul Madness SC
LCoUSA #78
Serveterans SC

"your scooter is kind of a pile"


 
chopper
Member since Jun-9-02
8035 posts
Dec-06-04, 12:56 PM (EDT)
 
6. "RE: TS1 or Rapido 225...."
In response to message #0
 
   the TS1 is more powerful, but the rapido is cheaper and iron-lined, so if you seize it, you don't have to shell out mad loot for a new kit or replating.

if you want a super-fast bike, the TS1 is the way to go. otherwise, i'd say a rapido 225 with a 28mil flatslide and a good pipe (like a taffy) and you'll be sailing.


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billy blob
unregistered user
Dec-06-04, 01:26 PM (EDT)
 
7. "RE: TS1 or Rapido 225...."
In response to message #6
 
   Maybe you should read this on Broadhursts site about the rapido.
http://www.mbdevelopments.co.uk/lambretta/lt6.html

I use a TS1. The 'standard' TS1-225 (for me) worked absolutely perfect right out of the box. I used a standard AF Rayspeed GP crank, a skimmed Taffspeed head and a TS1-225 kit from AF Rayspeed. I also used the regular GP electronic kit from AF. For the pipe I used a PM tuning model, and had them send a Dellorto 34mm VHSB pre jetted for the pipe. Seriously - it was absolutely reliable, started everyday and had zero problems.

It wasn't until I decided to try to get more power out of it that it seized - I stroked the crank, cut the piston skirt, etc. etc. I probably got at least 1k miles on the kit before I blew it up by being stupid.


 
chopper
Member since Jun-9-02
8035 posts
Dec-06-04, 03:09 PM (EDT)
 
9. "RE: TS1 or Rapido 225...."
In response to message #7
 
   LAST EDITED ON Dec-06-04 AT 03:09 PM (EDT)
 
i read the MB bit before i bought the rapido. my rapido 225 ran like a champ until i tore down the bike to use the parts for another project. 28mil Keihin carb and expansion chamber.

like i said, you want real power, go for a TS1, you want something cheaper you can seize without having to buy a whole new kit, get a rapido.



 
supertuner (not logged in)
unregistered user
Dec-06-04, 03:23 PM (EDT)
 
10. "RE: TS1 or Rapido 225...."
In response to message #9
 
   >i read the MB bit before i bought the rapido

what of the exhaust stud spacing being off a bit? MB notes it, as did scootering mag about the Rapido 250 kit... any plans on getting those in at WCLW?


 
Marcus Ransom
unregistered user
Dec-06-04, 10:50 PM (EDT)
 
21. "RE: TS1 or Rapido 225...."
In response to message #9
 
   What setup did you use on the carb? I am about to put together a rapido 225 with an OKO 28/30 (Keihin copy) and I am interested to see what jetting you ended up with. What pipe did you use?


 
chopper
Member since Jun-9-02
8035 posts
Dec-07-04, 10:05 AM (EDT)
 
26. "RE: TS1 or Rapido 225...."
In response to message #21
 
   i used an old west coast pipe. can't remember the jetting tho...i'll try to find if i wrote it down somewheres..



 
LambrettaWorks
Member since Oct-26-02
240 posts
Dec-06-04, 01:30 PM (EDT)
 
8. "RE: TS1 or Rapido 225...."
In response to message #0
 
   The TS1 will have more 'grunt' with the reed valve, while the Rapido is much revvier. We just pulled apart Ron Villa's motor after the Cannonball and his Rapido kit was in perfect condition. He bought a new JL4 pipe (he has a TM28 Mikuni carb) and now his bike is really screaming, even with four(!) 4.00x10" tires on it (two spares, one inside the legshield with a GS type spare gas tank and one on his back rack with an aircraft carrier platform for strapping down extra gear). We almost suffered multiple hernias helping him load it into his truck...

http://www.lambretta.net
vince@lambretta.net

if/then argument:
Lambretta=Ferrari / Vespa=Yugo


 
johndregg
unregistered user
Dec-06-04, 03:36 PM (EDT)
 
11. "RE: TS1 or Rapido 225...."
In response to message #8
 
   I have the rapido. I wanted a TS1 but at the time of building the engine i was a bit skint(broke) so i went for the rapido 225, i use a JL taffspeed race pipe and a 30phbh delorto, Li150 gears and the scooter is a real screamer, its not quite as fast as a TS1 but its just as much fun and was a lot cheaper. Also if you use a clubman exhaust you can pull outrageously long gearing with the rapido.


 
HardPackTexas
Member since Sep-20-04
56 posts
Dec-06-04, 05:29 PM (EDT)
 
12. "RE: TS1 or Rapido 225...."
In response to message #8
 
   All I'm sayin' is TS1 225, JL4 pipe, 150 gears, Mikuni 35 TMX, Boyesen power reed w/ Yamaha progressive reeds, 10 hours of extreme porting and polishing by Nyle, this thing comes on like a mofo. No contest, TS1 hands down. Special thanks to WCLW.

www.hardpacksc.com


 
azog
Member since Sep-10-02
221 posts
Dec-06-04, 07:47 PM (EDT)
 
17. "sheesh!"
In response to message #12
 
   i bet you have not ridden that thing in years. hehehehe.

maez


 
Nyle
unregistered user
Dec-06-04, 11:35 PM (EDT)
 
23. "RE: sheeshizzzzzz"
In response to message #17
 
   That is because he is affraid Maez!


www.hardpacksc.com
we pass on the right


 
HardPackTexas
Member since Sep-20-04
56 posts
Dec-06-04, 11:54 PM (EDT)
 
25. "RE: sheeshizzzzzz"
In response to message #23
 
   I ain't afraid of no HP ASSHOLE

www.hardpacksc.com


 
azog
Member since Sep-10-02
221 posts
Dec-07-04, 03:30 PM (EDT)
 
29. "RE: sheeshizzzzzz"
In response to message #25
 
   hey you stay away from my asshole. there will be no hardpacking there! you maybe been around too many steers/queers.

maez
az. hardpack
(we f.s.u)


 
HardPackTexas
Member since Sep-20-04
56 posts
Dec-06-04, 11:53 PM (EDT)
 
24. "RE: sheesh!"
In response to message #17
 
   YOU are such a pain in my ass. AMAEZING MOTHERFUCKER

www.hardpacksc.com


 
azog
Member since Sep-10-02
221 posts
Dec-07-04, 03:31 PM (EDT)
 
30. "glad to make yur day!"
In response to message #24
 
   someone has to keep you sane! or in the right frame of mind.

maez


 
jim w
unregistered user
Dec-06-04, 06:36 PM (EDT)
 
15. "JL3 vs. JL4"
In response to message #8
 
   Vince or anyone with experience with both,
How does the JL3 compare to the JL4? I know that they are theoretically similar to the taffspeed road and race respectively, but, comparing the two, what are the big differences?
How is the JL4 as an everyday street bike?
Low end torque. Does it have any? or, is it all revvy top end power?
What gearing would you recommend for both pipes?
How would the JL4 run with a smaller carb?

thanks,
Jim


 
Jim w
unregistered user
Dec-06-04, 06:37 PM (EDT)
 
16. "JL3 vs. JL4"
In response to message #15
 
   sorry, forgot to add this is on a TS1 225.


 
LambrettaWorks
Member since Oct-26-02
240 posts
Dec-08-04, 03:12 PM (EDT)
 
35. "RE: JL3 vs. JL4"
In response to message #15
 
   JL3 pros:
Killer torque in the low end and midrange, doesn't over-rev too high
Quiet (for a chamber)

JL3 cons:
Will ground out when cornering hard to the left

JL4 pros:
Insane power from mid-range on up, and still pretty fair at lower rpm's
Almost impossible to ground it in a corner - your floorboards will touch first

JL4 cons:
LOUD
Hangs low where it comes out of cylinder, be careful of speedbumps and potholes

All JL pipes require bending and/or trimming of the right footboard for the front mount and the tailpipe (the latter is true of all 'over-the-kickstart' pipes), nothing major though. They clear side panels fine, though not sure about Serveta turn signals or Florida bars.

http://www.lambretta.net
vince@lambretta.net

if/then argument:
Lambretta=Ferrari / Vespa=Yugo


 
Jim w
unregistered user
Dec-08-04, 03:48 PM (EDT)
 
37. "RE: JL3 vs. JL4"
In response to message #35
 
   Thanks Vince.
what about gearing? what sprockets with an Italian li150 box and JL3? quicker is better than faster.


 
Red_6
unregistered user
Dec-06-04, 06:09 PM (EDT)
 
13. "Then, Stroked TS1 or Rapido 250?"
In response to message #0
 
   Just wondrin.

Any experiences racing the Rapido 250 kit?

fireitupscotty!


 
netweasel
unregistered user
Dec-06-04, 06:11 PM (EDT)
 
14. "call scooters originali"
In response to message #13
 
   They had the first one in the states

www.scootersoriginali.com
973-743-6060


 
billywhizz
unregistered user
Dec-06-04, 08:16 PM (EDT)
 
18. "RE: call scooters originali"
In response to message #14
 
   no they didnt Brooklybretta had the first kit in the states ask A.F. Rayspeed


 
Ian
unregistered user
Dec-06-04, 10:30 PM (EDT)
 
19. "Rapido 250 LAs Vegas Feb 2004!!"
In response to message #18
 
   Built in January 04

<http://www.scoot.net/gallery/pic.html?pic=66376>


 
ScottyK
Member since Jun-22-02
1198 posts
Dec-06-04, 10:39 PM (EDT)
 
20. "RE: Rapido 250 LAs Vegas Feb 2004!!"
In response to message #19
 
   Whats your setup. Do you like it? how much riding does it get?

Scott..Vancouver...

Scott..Vancouver...

D69sc
VCoC #23
Soul Madness SC
LCoUSA #78
Serveterans SC

"your scooter is kind of a pile"


 
Ian
unregistered user
Dec-06-04, 11:12 PM (EDT)
 
22. "RE: Rapido 250 LAs Vegas Feb 2004!!"
In response to message #20
 
   Heres the specs

Rapido 250 kit matched to case
Case has to be machined to accept cylinder skirt
60mm AF race crank
19/47 primary drive
indian gp 200 gear box
AF chain slipper
yamaha clutch springs
32mm mikuni flatside carb with manifold to suit
Taffspeed pipe
12v electronic ignition.
We built this scoot to sell and it now belongs to a guy in NJ
who loves it.The Rapido is more of a touring/hwy motor
Ts1's have more grunt on the botttom end.
hope this helps and feel free to call me at the shop.
Ian
Scooters Originali
973 743 6060


 
Here Say
unregistered user
Dec-07-04, 02:25 PM (EDT)
 
28. "RE: Rapido 250 LAs Vegas Feb 2004!!"
In response to message #19
 
   From what I understand, that bike doesnt not have the correct crank and is actually only a 240.....


 
race crank = 60mm AF race crank
unregistered user
Dec-08-04, 09:54 PM (EDT)
 
39. "RE: Rapido 250 LAs Vegas Feb 2004!!"
In response to message #28
 
   >From what I understand, that bike doesnt not have the
>correct crank and is actually only a 240.....

http://www.afrayspeed.co.uk/online_catalogue/rapido/rapido.html

race crank = 60mm AF race crank
which is what Scooters Originali installed in that bike.
=250cc Rapido


 
Ten_Mile_Mark
unregistered user
Dec-07-04, 02:23 PM (EDT)
 
27. "RE: call scooters originali"
In response to message #14
 
   Actually BrooklynBretta had the first true 250 in the states


 
netweasel
unregistered user
Dec-07-04, 03:41 PM (EDT)
 
31. "RE: call scooters originali"
In response to message #27
 
   Don't think so. AF sent it special to the guys at Scooters Originali to build and bring to the last Vegas rally.


 
TV200
Member since Jun-3-02
837 posts
Dec-07-04, 09:05 PM (EDT)
 
32. "RE: call scooters originali"
In response to message #31
 
   I saw the kit at scooters o well before they put it on. And that was before any word of Brooklynbretta building one
cheers
Greg

Cheers
Greg

Vice President for life, Scott Baxter Scooter Club, minute taker of the Chris Herman Scooter Club
Oh and apparently
http://scoot.net/faq/TV200


 
Ten Mile Mark
unregistered user
Dec-08-04, 12:24 PM (EDT)
 
34. "RE: call scooters originali"
In response to message #31
 
   Brooklynbretta flew the cases to them and the machine work done there and they got the first production crank made directly from their hands


 
Ian
unregistered user
Dec-08-04, 09:38 PM (EDT)
 
38. "Who owns the 250 that brooklynbretta built??"
In response to message #34
 
   just wondering


 
Ten Mile Mark
unregistered user
Dec-09-04, 06:12 PM (EDT)
 
40. "RE: Who owns the 250 that brooklynbretta built??"
In response to message #38
 
   You know who does


 
ian
unregistered user
Dec-09-04, 06:21 PM (EDT)
 
41. "RE: Who owns the 250 that brooklynbretta built??"
In response to message #40
 
   why would i ask if i wasnt 100% sure?
anybody know the answer?


 
TV200
Member since Jun-3-02
837 posts
Dec-09-04, 09:56 PM (EDT)
 
42. "RE: Who owns the 250 that brooklynbretta built??"
In response to message #41
 
   I don't. sorry Ian just couldn't resist
cheers
Greg

Cheers
Greg

Vice President for life, Scott Baxter Scooter Club, minute taker of the Chris Herman Scooter Club
Oh and apparently
http://scoot.net/faq/TV200


 
TV200
Member since Jun-3-02
837 posts
Dec-07-04, 09:09 PM (EDT)
 
33. "RE: TS1 or Rapido 225...."
In response to message #0
 
   OK I ran a Rapido 200 for about 3 years. I got one when they first came out. I had a Taffspeed pipe and a 28 mikuni, and that motor was an excellent one. it seriously gave me all the power I needed, as well as top end was 80+. I got it from scooters originali, and it was one of the first in the country. I love the rapido, 3 years and untold thousands of miles later, I was able to pass it on to another.
cheers
Greg

Cheers
Greg

Vice President for life, Scott Baxter Scooter Club, minute taker of the Chris Herman Scooter Club
Oh and apparently
http://scoot.net/faq/TV200


 
Paul
unregistered user
Dec-08-04, 03:31 PM (EDT)
 
36. "RE: KRP3 V. 4"
In response to message #0
 
   The JL KRP4 is a race only exhaust, I wouldn’t get it unless all you care about is speed. The way I describe these pipes to everyone who buys one is if I had a stock bike I would use a KRP1. If I had a mildly tuned 200, well tuned 150, or wanted low end power on a highly tuned 200 motor I would run a KRP2. I would only run the KRP3 if you have a highly tuned 200 that you wanted to ride all the time. The KRP4 I wouldn’t waste the extra money on unless I had a bike that got up to some really high revs and wanted to maintain a very high power band.


 

 

 


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